Posted by: thaishin | June 18, 2014

When a believer dies

Luke 16:22

22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;  -kjv

22 So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried.  -nkjv

22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried.  -niv

Meditations:

1) In this account, the beggar Lazarus died and was carried to Jesus’s presence. Abraham’s bosom is another term of being in the presence of Jesus or heaven.

2) The angels carried Lazarus to the presence of Jesus. In a similar way, when we die, we entrust our soul to be carried to Jesus’s presence by the angels. We do not need to know the way to heaven, the angels will carry our soul there.

3) Cross reference to 2 Corinthians 5:8:

We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. -kjv

When we are absent from the body, we will be present with the Lord.

 

 

 

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Responses

  1. Thanks for the post.

    It appears to me that the portion of scriptures that immediately follows Luke 16:22, has more substance for discussion.
    These passages are:

    23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side.
    24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’
    25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony.
    26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’
    27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family,
    28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’
    29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’
    30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’
    31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”

    Would you consider these verses as literal, or symbolic ?
    That is, can Lazarus possibly dip the tip of his finger in water and to cool the rich man’s tongue, as he burns in hell’s agony ?
    Is Abraham in a conversation with the rich man in hell, since there is supposed to be a chasm between heaven and hell.

    Or are the passages symbolic?
    They certainly look didactic and instructional, as per the wisdom that Abraham imparts, that if a person does not listen to the Word of Moses and the Prophets (as recorded in the Bible), they would not be moved by the miracle of the Resurrection.

    Kong Wah

    • Hi Kong Wah,

      I do not have a stance that the bible should be taken literally or symbolically. I think it depends on the passage. Other discussions like whether the earth literally made in 6 days comes to mind. Some I do not have the answer.
      But for this passage, I do not know what the resurrected body is capable of or under what condition is the action effected.For one thing, the fire in hell is real. So if the fire is real, how come the water cannot be literal? Do not come from the perspective of understanding with our human wisdom the things of the spirit for we do not know many things. We have to know what we know and know what we do not know. For your second point, even if there is a chasm, does it mean communication is impossible? And what is that chasm in the spirit world, we do now know. A chasm that separates the spirit? How does it separate the spirit? We do not know.

  2. How WE interpret the Holy Scriptures does not change the meaning of God our Father. We have a very short time to minister to our friends and family about Jesus because there are thousands who do not know him and will meeting their eternity as we will soon.


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