Posted by: thaishin | March 3, 2017

Is Jesus a lesser God?

Passages to be considered:

John 14

28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.  -kjv

John 6

38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.  -kjv

1 Corinthians 11

But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.  -kjv

Question from moody radio listener on openline program on February 18, 2017:

I am doing a bible study in John and in John 14:28 towards the end of that verse, Jesus says the Father is greater than I, in that discussion on John, we are also talking about the trinity and how there is only one God and He has existed eternally as three distinct persons, each fully and equally God. So, I am trying to reconcile those two different statements there.

Answer from Dr Michael Rydelnik:

People who held views like the Arians and even various religious groups today argue from the statement that the Father is greater than I that somehow that Jesus is less than God or a lesser God, that somehow he is a created being, that is clearly not true. The Father and Son have the same essence. So what does it mean that the Father is greater than I? I think one of the clues to that is found in John 6 (actually John 6:37 to 40 is one of my favourite passages because it is really one of the great assurance passages for the believer), if you look at verse 38, what it is saying is the Lord Jesus submits his will to his Father. So, when the Lord Jesus says the Father is greater than the Son, what he is saying is greater in authority and it’s only because of the relational aspect in the Godhead, the Son is submissive to the Father, and it is not because in essence one is greater than the other but it’s sort of a functional relationship, functional greatness, not essential greatness. It is in function the Father is greater, some of you say that the Father is greater in office or greater in glory but the Son was humbled or taking the form of the man but in my understanding in the gospel of John, you go right to the beginning in John 1, in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God and then it says the Word became flesh. So it is saying the Father and Son are equal in essence but different in function. The Father is the one the Son submits to for He has greater authority, it’s just a functional difference, not an essential difference.

Listener:

So, in the functional difference, there’s an order and in essence, there’s equality?

Dr Michael Rydelnik:

There’s a  verse in 1 Corinthians 11 that I think it’s kind of helpful in seeing that. In terms of male, female relationships in 1 Corinthians 11:3. That’s talking about male leadership in the congregation and so the male elders  in the congregation is the head of women but essentially male and women in essence are equal before God but in function, there’s different function between men and women and the reason we see rather clearly in this passage because it says God is the head (speaking of the Father) of the Messiah, Christ the Son, well it does not mean He is greater in essence but just in function, just as men and women have equal essence but different function.

Listener:

See that makes a great example. I didn’t know it is partly because when Jesus became flesh, he lowered himself.

Dr Michael Rydelnik:

Yeah, that’s part of it, it’s the humbling of the Messiah, somebody called it the humiliation of the Messiah, that’s part of the reason for the Father has a greater authority than the Son and the Son humbling himself and obeying the Father’s will.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Responses

  1. Totally agree with scripture. Jesus and God are equal because they are the same.

  2. In case Jesus is God he always would have done his own will. Man can not see God and live but Jesus was seen by many who stayed alive and some even came out of the dead. God cannot be tempted but Jesus was. Jesus first was lower than angels and had to learn everything, though at the end of his life he still did not know lots of things, even not when he would return or who would be sitting next to him. God knows everything and does not tell leis; So if God is Jesus or Jesus is God than God would have lied like He would have lied when He told that Jesus is His only begotten beloved son. also what would be all the farce been of use to mankind, god faking being tempted or being tortured by man, or faking his death and resurrection? What would all the use be of it. Trinitarians also take away the hope we have that a man can stand up from death, because when Jesus is God he would not have been death and would not be a normal man of flesh and blood, like us. All the circus makes of God also a very cruel God, because than He could have solved it straight ahead in the garden of Eden and after His faking or our so called salvation He should not have us to suffer still so long.

    • You have brought up many pointers. Your first point “Jesus would have done his own will if he was God”. You are saying that if Jesus is God, he would be independent of everything else. My reply is:” There is relationship within the Godhead and it models for us humans what relationships ought to be”

      • We too should do the Will of God, but like it did not make Jesus to be God, neither shall it make us into God, even when we manage to become one with Christ like Jesus is one with God (like Paul requires from us) and we too should be one with God.

    • Jesus is God. John 1:1-2 says “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God.”. In the beginning was Jesus and Jesus was with God, and Jesus was God. Jesus was in the beginning with God. John 1:14 makes it clear that the Word is Jesus: “4 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.”


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